Is there any software around which is able to do the similar thing as “BetView” does?

[Mike8367]

Hi everybody!

I'm looking for any software which is able to do the similar thing as "BetView" does.

It combines the limit ordes which can be seen at the market depth and shows the average price of specific volume.

"BetView" feature can be found at the Betfair site.




Any help would be appreciated

[StefanBelo.]

bfexplorer

Yes, my trading platform bfexplorer offers such feature. Please watch this video showing how to set bet view in bfexplorer.

https://youtu.be/NIbhHx8UEmo

The other alternative my app uses to visualize data on ladder is conditional formatting I showed that feature at the end of my video, adding red icon to all offers > 1000.

Install and trial the app, then you can use free version till you are active user on bfexporer forum.

This bdp forum is for software developers building betfair apps and bots, so it is clear for them that Bfexplorer Console is my way how to interact with app UI, using app scripting language. Here you can see some examples:

http://bfexplorer.net/Community/Blog...ing Selections

http://bfexplorer.net/Community/Blog...plorer Console

Bfexplorer offers 3 levels of integration, you already saw in my video: Bfexplorer Console, Bot Trigger to orchestrate existing bfexplorer bot/s in custom solution, or just for bot triggering, and bfexplorer bot sdk for building custom bots which are integrated to My Bots.

If you are interested you can test that all in trial and if you like my approach you can use for free profession version of bfexplorer till you are active user on bfexplorer forum showing some simple samples of bot sdk usage, or just helping others to build bot triggers.

[Mike8367]

Yes, my trading platform bfexplorer offers such feature. Please watch this video showing how to set bet view in bfexplorer.

Thanks for the reply, StefanBelo!

But when I try bfexplorer.SetBetView console command I get this error message:



Any thought what can go wrong?

[StefanBelo.]

It seems you are already trial user or subscriber, right?

Then I do not understand why you did not ask me about this feature request before through my communication channels.

Just install the latest version of bfexplorer.

http://bfexplorer.net/Products/Bfexplorer

[StefanBelo.]

Here is list of requests:

http://bfexplorer.net/Articles/ByTag?tag=Request

[Mike8367]

It seems you are already trial user or subscriber, right?

Then I do not understand why you did not ask me about this feature request before through my communication channels.

Just install the latest version of bfexplorer.

http://bfexplorer.net/Products/Bfexplorer

I'm a trial user. I downloaded the program after saw your reply here.

I'd be glad to become a subscriber because your program does exactly what I was looking for but I can't make the console commands work. I get this error message when I try them:





Time Message
22.08.2015 23:30:08 "FsiEvaluationException:

Error:

input.fsx(1,12): error FS0039: The field, constructor or member 'SetBetView' is not defined



Output:

Input: bfexplorer.SetBestPricesDepth 3


Exception: Yaaf.FSharp.Scripting.FsiEvaluationException: Error while compiling or executing fsharp snippet. ---> System.Exception: Evaluation failed ---> Microsoft.FSharp.Compiler.ErrorLogger+StopProcessi ng: Выдано исключение типа ""Microsoft.FSharp.Compiler.ErrorLogger+StopProces sing"".
в Microsoft.FSharp.Compiler.ErrorLogger.ErrorLoggerE xtensions.ErrorLogger.ErrorRecovery(ErrorLogger x, Exception exn, range m)
в Microsoft.FSharp.Compiler.Build.Type...y@5225-12.Invoke(Exception _arg4)
в Microsoft.FSharp.Compiler.AbstractIL.Internal.Libr ary.EventuallyModule.forceWhile[a](FSharpFunc`2 check, Eventually`1 e)
в Microsoft.FSharp.Compiler.AbstractIL.Internal.Libr ary.EventuallyModule.force[a](Eventually`1 e)
в Microsoft.FSharp.Compiler.Build.TypecheckOneInput( FSharpFunc`2 checkForErrors, TcConfig tcConfig, TcImports tcImports, TcGlobals tcGlobals, FSharpOption`1 prefixPathOpt, TcState tcState, ParsedInput inp)
в Microsoft.FSharp.Compiler.Build.Type...puts@5371.Invoke(TcState tcState, ParsedInput inp)
в Microsoft.FSharp.Compiler.AbstractIL.Internal.Libr ary.List.mapFold[a,b,c](FSharpFunc`2 f, a s, FSharpList`1 l)
в Microsoft.FSharp.Compiler.Build.TypecheckMultipleI nputs(FSharpFunc`2 checkForErrors, TcConfig tcConfig, TcImports tcImports, TcGlobals tcGlobals, FSharpOption`1 prefixPathOpt, TcState tcState, FSharpList`1 inputs)
в Microsoft.FSharp.Compiler.Build.TypecheckClosedInp utSet(FSharpFunc`2 checkForErrors, TcConfig tcConfig, TcImports tcImports, TcGlobals tcGlobals, FSharpOption`1 prefixPathOpt, TcState tcState, FSharpList`1 inputs)
в Microsoft.FSharp.Compiler.Interactive.Shell.f@1-96(FsiDynamicCompiler this, FSharpList`1 prefixPath, FSharpList`1 inputs, TcState tcState, TcConfig tcConfig, Unit _arg1)
в Microsoft.FSharp.Compiler.Interactive.Shell.FsiDyn amicCompiler.ProcessInputs(FsiDynamicCompilerState istate, FSharpList`1 inputs, Boolean showTypes, Boolean isIncrementalFragment, Boolean isInteractiveItExpr, FSharpList`1 prefixPath)
в Microsoft.FSharp.Compiler.Interactive.Shell.FsiDyn amicCompiler.EvalParsedDefinitions(FsiDynamicCompi lerState istate, Boolean showTypes, Boolean isInteractiveItExpr, FSharpList`1 defs)
в Microsoft.FSharp.Compiler.Interactive.Shell.FsiDyn amicCompiler.EvalParsedExpression(FsiDynamicCompil erState istate, SynExpr expr)
в Microsoft.FSharp.Compiler.Interactive.Shell.FsiInt eractionProcessor.interactiveCatch[a](FSharpFunc`2 f, a istate)
--- Конец трассировки внутреннего стека исключений ---
в Microsoft.FSharp.Compiler.Interactive.Shell.FsiInt eractionProcessor.commitResult(FsiDynamicCompilerS tate istate, FsiInteractionStepStatus result)
в Microsoft.FSharp.Compiler.Interactive.Shell.FsiInt eractionProcessor.EvalInteraction(String sourceText)
в av.evalInteraction@967.Invoke(String A_0)
в av.save_@944-2.Invoke(Unit A_0)
в av.a[a](TextWriter A_0, TextWriter A_1, FSharpFunc`2 A_2)
в av.save_@943-1.Invoke(String A_0)
--- Конец трассировки внутреннего стека исключений ---
в av.save_@943-1.Invoke(String A_0)
в av.session@972.a(String A_0)
в au.CompileAndEvaluate@144.Invoke(Unit A_0)"

[StefanBelo.]

I am online now and will be for 30-40 minutes, just send me teamviewer access code so I can see it on your pc. On my web site you have got my info email.

[Mike8367]

Here is list of requests:

http://bfexplorer.net/Articles/ByTag?tag=Request

It looks like everything start to work correctly right now.

Thanks for you help!

P.S. awesome software! :-)

[StefanBelo.]

So man, you did not install latest version after I replied on your post here, simply read error message:

member 'SetBetView' is not defined

That means you still did not have the latest version of bfexplorer as that interface was added just today, after I released api updates for betfair changes they introduces August 17.

Programming is not a magic, mainly when app is saying what is wrong.

I would really prefer if you use my communications channels for any request, and I have got them on my web site 5 when counting to them all my social network channels.

[Mike8367]

So man, you did not install latest version after I replied on your post here, simply read error message:

member 'SetBetView' is not defined

StefanBelo, I've downloaded and installed the latest version but I can't understand why BFexplorer shows only 10 prices in the market depth:






When with other similar trading platforms such as Geeks Toys, Bet Angel and Cymatic Trader I'm able to see the full market depth. Here's an example:





Is there any way to make BFexplorer to show the full market depth ?

[StefanBelo.]

Because I wanted to show realistic WOM in trading range. I think you noticed that offered back/lay volume is displayed by data-bars.

If I showed full market depth then showing data-bars make no sense.

[StefanBelo.]

And you cannot actually use bet view when full market depth is used:

https://youtu.be/qXcZQrotwHQ

[Mike8367]

And you cannot actually use bet view when full market depth is used:

StefanBelo, thanks for your help.

I understand that I'm not able to see the full market depth when "bet view" is used but sometimes I need to see the full market depth and console command bfexplorer.SetShowFullMarketDepth allow me to do that which is great.

I've became a subscriber. Your software looks very powerful with high customization potential but I have 3 major issue right now:



1) I can't figure out how to make the ladder automatically center to the last price trader and I have to click the "center" button every time when I need to center the ladder and it's very annoying.

I know there's an option to do that automatically when "Bet Event Trader" mode is active but I don't like that mode and I'd would like to have similar option available when I use the "default" mode.




2) It isn't possible to see the last traded price when you look at the ladder. For example, is there any way to make "Odds" highlight according to the last trader price. It would look something like that:





3) I can't find "Shortcuts" to do these simple task: Place a back order at the current best price; Place a lay order at the current best price; Place an order to lock your current profit/loss.

Also it looks like it isn't possible to use any "Shortcuts" if "Bet Event Trader" mode isn't active and I don't understand why that?

[StefanBelo.]

1) Auto center feature had been implemented only for ladders in Bet Event Trader view. I have just added this feature to Trade Market Selection view as well.

2) You can actually see it on your picture as well, it is call LPTV (last price traded volume), so in your picture the last trade price was not 2.64 as you try to suggest but 2.62 in the traded volume of 25.5.

I believe you understand advantage of this approach, you can see on which side is more traded, when best offered back/lay changes the LPTV is reset automatically for out of range prices or you can reset it manually by clicking whenever in LPTV column.

You know that you can change layout of the ladder, so you can put LPTV between To Back / To Lay columns or just switched this column off, like you can do with any other column in the ladder.

3) I am bot operator myself, what shortcuts were requested by other users of bfexplorer the ones were implemented only. In the latest version I have just released, I added what you suggested B and L shortcuts for placing back or lay bets at best offered price, H for hedging was already implemented.

List of shortcuts is here:

http://bfexplorer.net/Community/Foru...oard Shortcuts


Yes, I noticed you subscribed for Basic version of bfexplorer. I switched your subscription status to Professional so you can test all features as well, and maybe get some other ideas.

I myself like the bet view idea, simple but on the other hand can filter out market noise.

[Mike8367]

Yes, I noticed you subscribed for Basic version of bfexplorer. I switched your subscription status to Professional so you can test all features as well, and maybe get some other ideas.

Thank you for that and for the features you added. It's the best costumer support that anyone can dream about.

I am bot operator myself, what shortcuts were requested by other users of bfexplorer the ones were implemented only. In the latest version I have just released, I added what you suggested B and L shortcuts for placing back or lay bets at best offered price, H for hedging was already implemented.

I use bots too but I just decided to start from learning the manual trade capabilities of BFexplorer but soon I'll try the automation trade area of BFexplorer too.

2) You can actually see it on your picture as well, it is call LPTV (last price traded volume), so in your picture the last trade price was not 2.64 as you try to suggest but 2.62 in the traded volume of 25.5.

I believe you understand advantage of this approach, you can see on which side is more traded, when best offered back/lay changes the LPTV is reset automatically for out of range prices or you can reset it manually by clicking whenever in LPTV column.

When I use "Bet View" the LPTV column transforms into this mess and it's just impossible to determine the last traded price:




Also I found an issue which makes trading impossible when "Bet View"(bfexplorer.SetBetView) is used because the program start to calculate the prices incorrectly. It calculates your current profit/loss incorrectly so it isn't possible to hedge the market. Also it isn't possible to send orders properly because all back and lay prices are messed by the Bet View formating

So I think there must be some area that unaffected by "Bet View" formation and you can use this area to trade.

Right now I use other programs to send orders and hedge the market.

Here's what I'm talking about... for example, this number is calculated incorrectly when any "Bet View" formating is used: